10.10.2011

what to do with YA ingnoramuses?

 Y·A·L ig·no·ra·mus
(Young Adult Literature Ingnoramus)
Noun:
1) a person who has read little to no YA books but still insists on discussing them in a authoritative way. (ie: "I've read Twilight and the whole YA genre is terrible.")
2) Often can be found spewing the following: "YA is badly written," "YA is not seriously written," "Everything in YA is lacking in complexity," "Adult fiction is so much better than YA," etc.
3) someone who complains about YA's content, usually for the purpose of saying (hysterically) that innocent young children are being corrupted by YA authors.
4) a person who can somehow make the phrase, "Oh, you read YA?" equivalent to, "You are an unintelligent and immature human being, and also I don't like you."
5) someone who finishes off a negative review of a YA book with  "But what can you expect? It's YA."

I think we've all encountered a YA ignoramus, in real life, on the interwebs, or both. Unfortunately, they are not one whit like nargles, as they're quite real, quite common and seem to crop up everywhere. Also, they are generally unpleasant individuals, quite vocal in their complete disdain for YA, and usually argumentative when you jump in to protest that YA is not at all as terrible as they think.

My response to YA ignoramuses has always been to chirp in with something along the lines of  "But YA is really a very diverse genre that is not easily dismissed and categorized. Of course there are some bad books, just as there are bad books in every genre. YA doesn't make much sense as a genre anyhow, there's mystery books rubbing shoulder with romances and literary books and everything you could possibly find in one contained area in a bookstore. People who write YA aren't always in agreement with what it is, other than it should (mostly) have coming of age themes. Don't you see how silly it is to say all YA is bad?"

I might as well be speaking in another language when I say the above.

Lately, if I encounter a YA ignoramus on the internet, I try to point them to this article (Are You Reading YA Lit? You Should Be), since it is far more articulate than I am. I don't know if it's working, not because the article isn't great, but because it seems like YA ignoramuses are content to be willfully ignorant.

I find the whole cycle baffling:

Most of these people haven't read any YA. Or very, very little of it. They read Twilight (or even hear of it, secondhand, the information regarding YA blurred and distorted as it would be in the game Telephone) and suddenly they're educated enough, experts even, and feel the intense need to discuss YA and make broad, often misinformed generalizations about the whole genre. They're qualified to write ridiculous posts on the internet. Or worse yet, articles (and yes, this did happen a while ago, but I have a feeling it will happen again due to YA's increased popularity) in places like the Wall Street Journal or Slate.

It's not that I'm against discussing YA in a critical manner. I've written some discussion posts that do point out things I wish there were more of/ less of in YA (ie one on YA romance, YA high school dynamics, and older YA protagonists), but I don't mean those posts as a definitive statement on all of YA, and I certainly believe that YA harbors some of the most wonderfully written and communicative and fully emotional books being published today. Of course there are duds. YA is a genre, not a gurantee of quality.

So I wanted to ask you all, what do you do when you encounter a YA ignoramus?

The YA community, when united, is capable of responding in a vociferous and wonderful manner via tweets and blog posts, as in the "YA too dark" debacle. But when you encounter a YA ignoramus individually, how should you respond?

In  an ideal world, I would get every YA ignoramus to read some of the best YA books out there, such as Jellicoe Road or Looking for Alaska. I would like them to come back to me after reading maybe a hundred YA books currently being published (not just the ones published 5-10 years ago) and say that they still believe all YA is inferior to adult literature [insert other silly comments here].

But this doesn't happen often, as far as I've experienced. I link articles or suggest books, and I don't really see any evidence of change.

Would it be more productive to simply ignore them?

I've considered this, but not getting involved is a hard thing to do when you witness a YA ignoramus facilitating a discussion in YA on an online forum and disseminating their silly ideas to other people.

I guess there are several options:
a) ignore them completely
b) jump in and argue with them
c) jump in and smother them with book recommendations and/or informative articles

I feel like c) is the most positive response.

Actually, I think I'll ramp it up more. I'll troll the next "YA is awful" online discussion and post a flurry of moving passages/quotes from great YA books, positive reviews, and shout I LOVE YA on top of my lungs.

Yes, I'll try that next.

In the meanwhile:

What are your thoughts? What do you do when you come across a YA ignoramus? Please share.

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Fortunately, most of the people with whom I talk about books are the people in my Mock Printz book club, so we're all very well aware that YA is awesome.
But when I do run into those people, I basically do say that books like Twilight give it a bad name, and there is more to it than paranormal romance.
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Happily, most of of the people I've spoken to about YA don't have this negative view of the genre. But I do remember a conversation with a family acquaintance where I asked her, "Why don't you read YA?" and she said, "Oh, because almost all of those books deal with girls in high school acting silly. It's ok, but I don't want to read that ALL the time."
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(I had to split my comment....just like old times!)

I was ANNOYED when she made that generalization and I explained (as best I could) that it's not always like that.... but in the end, I don't think that changed her opinion. I may not agree with her view but at least she's read some YA lit. (Although judging by what she said, they weren't exactly wonderful.) It's those people that automatically write it off because of Twilight that bother me. I can't count how many times I've been in a book store and I hear a mother saying to her kid, "No, you're not getting that because it's too Twilight-y." UGH. WHEN did twilight become a synonym for bad fiction???
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(Last one, I swear!)

But anyways.... what can be done with these people (the insufferable ones who think everything YA is horrrribbble) is prove that it's not with facts and book recommendations. So far people have stood up to the occassion and usually they come out winning so...it's all good :D As for the ones that HAVE read some YA and still feel bleh about it... until they decide to pick up another YA book or happen to read The Book That Changes Everything.... the best we can do is just accept their opinion and move on. (And read more YA, of course.)
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I'm actually struggling with that a bit now as I'm getting my MA in Literature, and I'd love to do my final project on young adult lit. No one has actually said anything snarky, but the looks I get are clearly judgey-judgey and there's a decidedly reserved/hesitant response to my admission of YAL interest. So, of course, since I think it's the underdog of the literary world, I'm going to crusade for it. Via my tiny master's project. Thanks for pointing out that article. I'm excited to read it!
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My husband makes fun of me for reading YA books. He tells everyone that I get my books from the children's room in the library. I do read a lot of adult fiction, too, but my favorite is YA without a doubt. There's just something so comforting about reading a book that isn't aimed at adults. There's not a lot of confusing storylines or jargon that I can't understand. And when my kids ask what my story is about I can explain it to them and they understand and ask questions. I just tell my husband that unless he reads more than one book a year, he has no right to make fun of what I read. At least I'M reading.
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Amy Durham · 703 weeks ago

I LOVE this post. You echo my own feelings exactly!
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Ammy Belle · 703 weeks ago

I kind of blink. THen frown. Then blink and when they finally ask if they offended me, I say somethign along the lines of "I read and write YA. Most of the books that have truly touched me have been YA, or some smattering of YA .... and yes, your narrowminded, culturally-dependant view has offended me. But mostly - it just saddens me. You will never get the chance to experience what I have, because ... well, you kinda suck."

Or something along those lines.

Thanks! Great article!
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I was probably like the first brave soul to write a YA novel for my thesis in my MFA graduate program. Basically, to the adult, literary world, YA is part of genre writing...not genre as in short story, novel, poetry, etc. as we learn in elementary school, but genre as in writing that is not literary--that resorts to formula and plot rather than character delopment and literary style. So, YA is bashed along with Sci-Fi, Fantasy, and other "non-literary" types of writing. But who says all YA is not literary? There are several, several new YA books out there that have a lot of literary merit and many of these are being written by MFA graduates such as Lauren Oliver.
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I don't tend to read/review a lot of YA so I haven't met a YA ignoramus (love your definition!! very creative). But I have the same complaint about a lot of people with a wide range of genres.

For me, my particular pet hate is people who bag out crime fiction and science fiction because of this percpetion of it being sh*t popular fiction when it can be so much more. I don't mind people who don't tend to read a lot of a particular genre because it doesn't particularly call to them, I admit YA doesn't particularly call to me.

But the reality is that there are brilliant peices of fiction in all genres, and there isn't single genre I would speak badly about as a whole.
Like Page_Turners, while I have encountered snobby attitudes about YA, I've come across just as much and more on genres like science fiction, adult fantasy and most of all, chick-lit. Some people like to feel smarter by making out everybody else is stupid. I prefer to ignore them.
Thanks so much for this post! This is something I've experienced before as well. My old English teacher was trying to convince me to read adult books. She asked me to name some books I'd read recently, so I did (and it was mostly YA), then she shook her head and said in this awful patronising tone, "It's good you like reading, but I've really never heard of those authors before. Now, have you tried Terry Pratchett?" I was so mad. First that implied only books by well-known authors are worth reading, and second that she basically went on to dismiss the whole YA genre as "not a high enough level" of reading, and that an English Literature student such as myself should be aiming to be reading more "challenging" and "complex" titles to improve my literacy skills. It's like she completely forgot reading is something you're supposed to enjoy, and not just a tool to make your vocabulary and writing skills better, or whatever. She really wrinkled her nose at the whole YA genre and I could tell she thought I was some stupid idiot for reading it. Then she listed off a bunch of adult books I should read and said I'd really enjoy them because of the "sophisticated humour" in some of them and the beautiful tragic writing in the other. I understand that there are probably quite a few adult books I'd like - unlike she was with YA, I'm not against adult books. Some of them have pretty awesome storylines, others don't, just like any genre. But her tone annoyed me so much that I just left after that.
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In most cases, I have found Young Adult - particularly of the fantasy level, to be far superior to adult stuff. It's more original, it's more interesting, the stories seem to be driven more by plot and less by "oh look at this amazing world I've created, let me give you the entire history/biology/geography so that you will be impressed".

And in response to Liz above - Terry Pratchett is a brilliant example of cross-over writing - he writes for both young adults and adults, and his books are in general enjoyed by both. Please don't dis Pratchett!

Of course, some authors do seem to feel they can get away with writing quite poorly for YA stuff - but it tends to be first person narrative, aimed at boys (Percy Jackson, Pittacus Lore, etc) - so they're trying for action, excitement, thrills, over poetic prose.
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