1.08.2011

I'm okay with YA protagonists that are over 18 years old. Actually, I'd like to have more of that, please.

What's got me thinking:*

Lately, I've been encountering a lot of discussions on whether college age protagonists in young adult books are allowed, or if you can even call it a young adult book if the main character doesn't fall into the Holy YA Age Range of 12-18 years old. Among the publishing community, the general consensus seems to be that protagonists out of high school are a tough sell. The comments of "but college students don't read, so there's no market for it" and "teens don't relate to protagonists that are are college aged" are always thrown in there somewhere during the discussion, which generally results in everyone agreeing and deciding to lower their main character's age to 18 or under.

As a teen reader, I'm going, what? STOP THAT.

On Age & Reading Habits

I'm sixteen, in case you're wondering.

That doesn't stop me from wanting to read about characters older than 18. I'd sure as heck love to go into the Young Adult section and pick up a book about a college freshman adjusting to their new life of freedom, stumbling around a huge campus, fighting with their roomate, and groaning about cafeteria food and being a poor student. I'd sure as heck love to read a book about a protagonist that sets off on an adventure after they graduate from high school, or who's just taken up training as a cop or joined the army or taken a job you can't do while still in school. I'd love it to bits if anyone wrote a book about a college junior's experience as a study abroad student.

I'd lap that stuff right up. Mostly importantly, I'd buy it if I saw it in the Young Adult section.

I'm an older teen. For the most part, in real life, I have no stomach for the heartaches of a 12-year-old, and I don't think I can completely grasp (I can empathize with, sure) the troubles a 50-year-old might be facing, since I haven't experienced it myself. But that doesn't stop me from relating to and being interested in fiction featuring 12-year-old protagonists, 16-year-old protagonists, and 50-year-old protagonists. It explains why the odd teen (me) or adult can't be wrenched away from the middle grade section, while boys my age have been reading fiction about 30-year-old fantasy heroes since they were 13.

Age doesn't matter as much as you'd think.

Maybe it does in real life, but it doesn't in fiction.

This is especially true since 99.9% of young adult books are being written by adults. There's a certain distance there, so that for the most part, I couldn't differentiate between a YA 15-year-old and a 18-year-old protagonist in terms of maturity and the conflicts they face if my life depended upon it. It's all pretty flexible in YA, when it comes to a few years. **

From what I've observed, children and teen readers tend to read up. As a 5th grader, I was curious to find out what middle school was like, and I sated some of that curiosity by reading a bunch of books where the protagonists were 13. I didn't have a problem at all relating to these older main characters. By middle school, I was reading books with high school protagonists, wondering if that's what it'd really be like once I got there.

Now that I'm a high school senior, I'm left either with older teen characters or adult characters. There's no bridge in between though. Just a huge gorge, and publishers saying, "JUMP ALREADY." I rarely find a book featuring a college freshman or a 20-year-old. In fact, I can't even think of one I've read lately off the top of my head.

But I'm still curious. I'd like to know what I'm in for. I think most people my age would like to know. What college is like, what renting your first apartment is like, what starting your career is like.

Most importantly, I think they'd read about it. Perhaps even prefer it over the tales of a high school freshman, or maybe even over the tales of characters their current age. It's a possibility. Maybe that explains why the college students I do know tend to read adult fiction. They're looking out for what's next for them.

New Adult

I feel like I can't talk about older protagonists without mentioning New Adult. I first heard of New Adult when St. Martin put on it's "New Adult" Submissions Contest in November 2009, and the resulting buzz crackled through the internet until it even reached me. For those of you who haven't heard of New Adult, I think of it as a more sharply defined categorization for books that have crossover appeal (books that can be sold and marketed as both YA and adult fiction) and it seems to have become viable in the last few years due to the fact that YA has become such a popular genre.

St Martin's described it as this:

"...[n]ew, cutting edge fiction with protagonists who are slightly older than YA and can appeal to an adult audience. Since twenty-somethings are devouring YA, St. Martin’s Press is seeking fiction similar to YA that can be published and marketed as adult—a sort of an “older YA” or “new adult.”
And from reading Kristan Hoffman's article in Guide to Literary Agents, New Adult will likely feature protagonists from 18-26 years old. As she says:

"But the transition from teen to adult doesn’t happen overnight either. There’s a period of time where adulthood feels like a new pair of shoes. The expectations of independence and self-sufficiency are still new, still being broken in. New Adults are the people who have just begun to walk in those shoes; New Adult fiction is about their blisters and aches."


New Adult is supposed to be geared towards older teens, college kids, and adults who are well, new to adulthood.

And I'm going: YES YES YES.

I'd like some of that.

Where's the barricade?

But I'm wondering, why aren't there any books out there already where protagonists are older than 18? Why does this have to be a new thing? Why can't I just stroll into the bookstore right now and pick up Minnie's College Adventures, Book One?

I'm not saying there aren't books like that out there. There are crossovers and college books, scattered around somewhere, I'm sure, but I don't think there's a sizable amount.

The problem is that they're not easily accessible in the young adult section. I think they should be. At least part of it, I think , is due to this misconception that I admit I'm having trouble wrapping my head around as I skim through all the blogs and threads and articles I've been reading about this age dilemma. But this is what I've gathered: YA writers who are worried about writing about older protagonists seem to point the fingers at publishers and agents who either call for a protagonist's age to be lowered or term a book with a older main character a "tough sell." Then publishers and bookstores just go on and point the fingers at readers, saying there isn't a market.

I think there is one. I think of the defining characteristic of young adult fiction as coming-of-age. I think a lot of people are coming-of-age during college or even when they're 25, and therefore it can still be YA, if an author decides that's what the character is going to be going through. What's more, I want those books in YA.

Fellow teens and young adult readers, would you be interested in fiction about college aged protagonists? Would you buy books featuring main characters in the so-called dead zone of 18-26 years old? Do you think there's a need for more of it, or are you content with what's already out there?

Maybe I'm just weird in craving older protagonists appearing on Young Adult shelves, but I'm hoping not.

*I'm hoping a post of this nature hasn't been written already, as I've been out of the loop for a bit.
**In real life, no. Those little freshman squirts are confused and lost and hopeless. Seniors know what they're doing, at least to some extent. Actually... on second thought, perhaps yes. I think I'm pretty much the same as I was a few years ago. I guess it's a bit of both.

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New adult fiction? I say heck yes! I'm 20, and I read both YA and adult books, but I'd love to see some more books with characters my age. This was a very interesting post. Thanks for sharing!
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Thanks! HECK YES TO NEW ADULT.
I'm nineteen, so yes, I would LOVE to find some awesome books with college-aged protagonists. I definitely could've used one of those last year when I was struggling as a freshman, and I felt as though none of my struggles were validated. You're supposed to love university, right? And I hated it (for the record, I love it now, but first year was rough.) I didn't feel like anyone else felt the way I did, and that was hard. A character to relate to would've been wonderful.

And I can promise that college students read, despite their heavy workload. I'm an English major, so I have tons of required reading, but I just returned six YA books to the library and checked out three more. If they love to read, they will make the time.
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I'm glad that things are looking up with university :)

See, I'd dearly love a ollege freshman character talking about adjusting to their new life to grab hold onto, as I'm going to be heading off to college this year. And I think I'll be one of those college students who'd read a lot still. :D
This post makes me so happy since I'm writing my own YA novel and my protagonist is twenty-one. For me, the age of the character is completely irrelevant unless it clashes with how the personality is written. I care more about the story and plot than I do about the age, but after awhile I do start to get bored with the younger protags. I'd *love* to read more about college students and older characters.

However, I've had agents and authors tell me directly that selling a novel with a MC over eighteen years old is nearly impossible. But this New Adult business gives me hope!
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"For me, the age of the character is completely irrelevant unless it clashes with how the personality is written"

^THIS. I completely agree.

See, I've been hearing that too--agents/publishers saying 18+ is hard to sell, so authors are worried about writing characters that age.

But here I'm going, I'd love to read books with characters that age, why aren't there some in the bookstore? Let's hope New Adult remedies that. :)
Wow, um, this post is FANTASTIC! I completely agree!

From my own perspective, now that I'm in college, I would love to read some fiction about peeps my age. I love YA and adult stuff but there really is a dearth of college age protagonists.
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Thanks! More college protagonists would be great :D
I'm in university, I'm 19, but I don't think I would read about someone in college. For one thing, my own college experience is going to differ astronomically from what I would probably find in a book. I don't go to a stereotypical school, with dorms and sororities and fancy random Greek stuff. My school is small, there are no dorms, and I commute there while still living with my parents. I wouldn't be able to relate to the experiences of Jane Doe at Big Famous University. I prefer either reading YA, where the high school environment is more or less relatable, or Adult Lit, where relating to the character's age isn't as big a deal (to me).

That said, I AM THE MESSENGER by Markus Zusak has 19 and 20 year old characters and I looooove it -- precisely because those characters are going against the "norm" and not going to college, so the relatability isn't a barrier.
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I forgot to mention that in my post--that sometimes people are worried that the experiences of 18-26 vary too widely, as you've pointed out :)

oh, I love I AM THE MESSENGER, it's one of my favorite books. I agree, one of the best things about it is that they're 19 and 20 and doing things that are different. I love that Ed has a job and he's worried about who he's going to become but it's still clearly YA. But wow, Markus Zusak is kinda the champion of crossover, though, isn't he? The Book Thief is marketed as both adult and YA.

I've been thinking, New Adult would do away with a lot of the restrictions that YA imposes. Like, the parents could be totally out of the picture without it being a weird thing, the main characters wouldn't have to skip around high school while simultaneously saving the world. I guess some of that's the classic hallmarks of YA, but at the same time, if authors could just keep that coming-of-age factor and youngish outlook on life, while giving their characters a freer range due to the fact that they're legally adults--that'd be lovely, I think.
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Dawn Embers · 742 weeks ago

Agreed. I was reading YA in junior high and in high school ended up reading adult fantasy and other adult books like John Grisham. There are a few books out there that have college age main characters. The one I tried to read recently but man it's a slow book is The Magicians. The magic school in that book is basically a college. I'm sure there are others. But I do agree that I'd like to read main characters that are 19-24.

I did read less in college. Well, I read less fiction. I had to do a lot of work for policy debate researching the PRC, extinction, why extinction would be good, supreme court cases, and so much else. Between that and all the classes I took and the nightmare that was my capstone project & defense, I didn't feel like reading much, not even for my lit classes. Now I'm trying to read more often, but it's not easy to get back into the habit because I don't like choosing between writing and reading, though I know reading will help my writing. But I'm working on it.
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Ooh, The Magicians...that actually sounds good, like a grown-up Hogwarts, perhaps?

I think I will end up having to read less in college too, just because they'll be so much reading for class. I hope you get back into your reading swing! I'd been having trouble reading for a while until very recently. What really helped me was going back and reading all my long-time favorites. I started with elementary school reads and worked my way through my favorite books, just so I could remember what I loved about reading, and now I'm back to normal :)
I love the idea of new adult fiction. That's an untapped market and really a bit of a gap that hasn't been covered yet. Like you mention - the publishers expect those in the 18-24 range to somehow magically jump from books aimed at teens to adult fiction with no bridge in between. Why not have some books addressing the college experience (or other experiences such as a gap year, first job, etc.) that feature protagonists in that age group? I agree, it should still be considered a "coming-of-age" time and yet it's so vastly different from high school that I have no idea why books specifically directed at this age group aren't out there (or aren't being put into the hands of the people who would most benefit from reading them!)
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I'd just love it if they'd fill out that gap! :)

Thanks for commenting!
Wow. I agree with you on so much of this.

First, can I just saw you're 16 and a senior?! Geez, I'm 15 and a sophomore! Gah!

As a sophomore, though, my mom is telling me to start looking at colleges and all that. Honestly, I'm insanely scared. It would be nice to have books here and there about people in college. Not only that, but when I'm in college I'm going to want to read some books about people my age! Gosh darnit, people should stop saying it would be hard to sell! Right now, I know the Ivy and Forget-Her-Nots have characters that are in college.

Fantastic post! Hopefully people will listen (:
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lol, I should've just said 17, since my birthday is soonish. I'm in denial, though, I can't be getting this old already -__- I think I will just go on saying I'm 16 for the rest of my life, I'm certainly a kid inside, haha.

Your Mom is right about starting to look at colleges early on. I was really scared too, and very lost at how to start looking at colleges, since I just didn't know what I wanted--big or small, city or rural, this major or that, private or public, nearby or far away. It took me ages to figure that out, so much so that I didn't do as much research as I should've in my soph/junior years and had to cram a lot in during senior year, once I'd decided what type of school I wanted to go to. It makes things a lot easier if you already have a concrete list coming into senior year. Oh, if only I had... Looking back, college apps are basically about time management and getting things done ahead of time.

And thanks :) And I agree, a book might have helped a bit.
As a current college student, I'd absolutely LOVE more books (YA or otherwise) with college-age protagonists. I always like to hear about other peoples' real-life university experiences so why wouldn't I love to read about them as well? Maybe the publishing industry just thinks that everyone in college is too busy studying/partying to read (which isn't true, at least in my case)
Well I would indeed read it. I'm 25 years old, I've had a "steady adult job" for 3 years now and I read both YA and Adult. I'd love to find something in between though. What I like the most about YA is that I'm never worrying when picking a book, if there'll be too much sex in it. On the other hand, the characters are sometimes to childish. Don't get me wrong, I like my sex scenes just fine, but sometimes in adult book the line is thin between just enough and too much. I can totally relate to these adult characters though, since well I'm pretty deep in my adult life by now, but I can totally understand how it might be hard for a teen to relate.
More books with college-age students would be great, I'm 24 and still at university (my mum says I'm going to be a perpetual student) and I love to read (both YA and adult books) even though I'm busy with uni work. I do however find that I just can't get into YA books if the protagonist is too young (lets say 12 or 13) as I often find that the content is too young for what I want. Not too many YA books with college age students come to mind, however I did just finish Hold Me Closer, Necromancer in which the protagonist was (as well as his friends) a college aged student and I loved the book. I say bring on New Adult fiction!
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I agree with you! I'll soon be going off to university, and I'd like to read some YA where the character has learnt from their experiences at high school but is still learning 'cause they're still young. Also, I'm kinda worried that although I dearly do love the YA genre, I've found that now I sometimes can't read the book if the characters are aged 14 (or 15) and under.

Anyways, here's a really nice post-high school, pre-college book, it's called Bass Ackwards and Belly Up by Liz Craft and Sarah Fain. :) It's about four best friends on four very different post-high school lives.
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I would like to see a surge of YA books with college-age protagonists, but I'm biased: I'm writing one. ^_^

New Adult... mmm. It's a big question mark at this point, I'm afraid. I ran a few quick google searches on the subject, and the results were disappointing. St. Martin's had this big idea about a year ago and held a contest. There was a small flurry of discussion on the blogosphere, but nearly nothing has come up since then. St. Martin's contest got 18 authors requests for partials, but if any of them actually got a deal, none have surfaced at the bookstores. AbsoluteWrite has some more recent threads going on the topic, one is
here. What I'm hearing is basically that it's a very, very new genre which noone is really sure about yet. Only St. Martins and a very, very few agents have an interest in it, and it could be judged as an idea that doesn't work and shelved at any time. In other words: it's a tough sell.
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Good to hear! I am writing about a college freshman and pitching it as YA
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I've heard about New Adult fiction before, and I guess the idea intrigues me. I think one reason YA works so well in a high school setting is because high school operates as a sort of complete society in its own right, one which writers can use very easily to focus in on themes and certain aspects of the human experience. Once a character is out of high school and in the "real world" as they say, the lens can't always be focused so tightly/efficiently. I like the idea of fiction that focuses on the transitory period from high school to adulthood, but at the same time I'm not sure I would return to those types of books the way I return to traditional YA. The transitions and changes I made from 14-18 were larger than the transitions I've made from 18-21. (But granted, I started college when I was 15 so that might be why). That being said, I did really enjoy (and maybe you would, too) "The Dive from Clausen's Pier" by Ann Packer, which features a woman in her early 20s who's making that transition from what she's used to--her high school boyfriend, her familiar home town--to that which is new and different. It's not about university, but it is about growing up and making choices and new freedoms. I think New Adult fiction would be a worthy addition to the bookshelves. You always have such thoughtful posts! I appreciate that about your blog.
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YES. YES. YES.
I'm 20 and the post-18 phase has been pretty important for me, and yet I hardly see American/British books documenting the 18 - 24 year age gap. I love reading YA but I'd like to read about people of age as well. The adult books hardly feature protagonists who are in college. And who says college students don't read? If you don't give them books they can readily relate to, how can you say they don't?

Having said that, I'm from India, and the most popular genre here is what is called the 'campus novel' which concerns protagonists in colleges/universities. YA is not that popular, but the Campus novels fly outta the shelves. And most of these books are written by college students as well.
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Campus novels? Wow. Some in English, I assume? Can you direct me to some? I'd love to read them.
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Actually, they are all written in English.
One of my favourites is Anurag Mathur's The Inscrutable Americans, although it was written way back in 1991.
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Glad you're looking to read them!
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Yes. Yes. YES. This post is spot-on and addresses some qualms that've recently been plaguing me. You rock, just so you know ;)

Right now publishers are striving for a crossover appeal for YA books, but in general I don't think this is the best way to go. Yes there are some successes like Harry Potter and His Dark Materials (don't anybody dare say Twilight) but in general they are rare, and it is to my knowledge that adults tend to keep a wide berth away from and look down upon YA in general. High school years? Most adults I know decry and detest reminiscing about high school because the truth is that high school is juvenile, and childish, and petty, and insignificant, compared to what comes next. The next four years of glory and independence and maturing into an adult: college. I know far more adults who glorify their college experience and would no doubt love to relive it through a book. A NEW ADULT book, no less. So yes, I agree completely. A new adult book would be a true crossover book: nostalgia for adults and a refreshing and enlightening experience for us young adults on the threshold of independence and college. Honestly, there's such a lack of these college-aged protagonist books that I honestly don't know what goes on in college aside from the typical partying and studying stereotypes. Authors, enlighten me, please!

Wow you're a young senior! Thank goodness it's January and college applications are done and over with, right? I think it might have been the stress and endless essays that threw off your reading habits...it certainly did mine! I'm curious- what colleges are you applying to? You are obviously super thoughtful and intelligent, as this post is proof of :)
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Very good and though-provoking response--articulated a lot of what I was thinking of! Check out my posts, too, near the bottom!
I actually feel like there are a lot of books with characters in the "new adult" age range, they are just shelved in the fiction section instead of the YA section.

I don't doubt that YA readers would love to have slightly older characters in the YA mix. I would love to see that! Here's where I see that getting tricky-- many middle schoolers are really into YA, but not yet ready for books featuring college students. I would have a hard time placing books with 18-and-up protagonists in my middle school YA section.

I haven't heard of the "New Adult" category, but it sounds like a great idea!
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Totally agree! As a 22-year-old, I can attest that many of us younger twenty-somethings are equally clueless about being grown-ups. Why are people sending me bills with three zeroes on? Why am I going to other people's weddings? What is this talk about mortgages and children? *quivers*

I'd love to read more fiction about new adults. It's not that life isn't dramatic enough for twenty-somethings, that's for sure. Leaving home for the first time is one of the most stressful experiences imaginable. Look at the later seasons of Buffy, in which the title character adjusts to college and her mother's death and her parental role with her little sister. Big changes.

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I'm 21, about to graduate college in the spring, and scared to death about it. So I would LOVE to read about protagonists just getting started on their way. I think there would definitely be a market for it. I mean, just last week alone, I was visiting the YA section of my local Barnes & Noble, surrounded by a group of 12-13 year olds, a couple high school kids, and then a few of my friends from college. While I may be less prone to read about the tweens the older I get, the tweens might not want to read about college kids, but there is still overlap, and I think there would definitely be a sizeable market.

This is a great discussion!
Thank you for this post! I'm 20 years old, love both Adult and YA (but have a soft spot for YA due to all the wonderful novels I read in elementary/middle school (note I was a VERY precocious reader, hence elementary too), and am an aspiring writer currently writing and workshopping short stories in college, and hoping to venture into the novel-writing world soon. However, I don't know what I want to write (and am not sure I will, until I do), in terms of age group, because although there are a few very poignant high school experiences I'd like to draw from, definitely, I'm not sure I can write about a 12- or 14-year-old anymore. I'd even like to write about older adults...without actually being one yet. And, to be honest, the adult market is intimidating me. SO much competition to be unique, experimental...AND I JUST WANT TO WRITE A GOOD STORY.
New Adult is a wonderful concept. Just because we're in college (or not, or want to read about college) doesn't mean we instantly have to go for the classics/adult section, etc. I actually recently read a YA novel with a college-age protagonist, that you definitely should check out: Light Years, by Tammar Stein. Excellent. And it was refreshing to have someone precisely (or around) my age.
And speaking of being a precocious reader, where would I be now if I hadn’t read Judy Blume’s Are You There, God, It’s Me, Margaret? at the tender age of 7 (!) and learned all about what a period was and bra cup sizes. Sure, Margaret was—I don’t know, 12?—but I related to her woes nonetheless, because of Blume’s funny, accessible writing, just as I was still reading Beverly Cleary books and identifying with 8-year-old Ramona.
In studying the classics, even in high school, they make us read about much older characters. Then what’s the difference???
I'm an adult who reads YA novels, and since I've already experienced university as well as high school, I would have no problem reading literature written from this perspective. In fact, I just did finish a novel that is being marketed to the YA audience, called The Uninvited, which features a girl who just finished her freshmen year at university and a couple of characters who are four years older. The novel is by Tim Wynne-Jones and is great for people who are interested in suspenseful, family dramas.
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Thank you so much for this post! So glad to hear I'm not the only who thinks there's major taboo about creating protagonists between the ages of 18-30. It's been something that's really bothered me the last few times I've visited B&N. I'm 19 and a college sophomore, and I loveeeee YA fiction. Nearly every book is set in high school, which is totally cool and I really, really enjoy, but I'd love a change of scenery and a change in age group occasionally. And while I also like Adult fiction, sometimes I just can't get into the head of a 45 year-old woman with three children and a cheating husband. It's too distant from my own life.

I recently read The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath, in which the protagonist, Esther, is 19/20. It was REFRESHING. Even though the story mainly revolves around her mental decline, it was soo awesome to read a novel which allowed me to soak in the experience of a character outside of school, and all the new options available to her. Also, it's just a crazy amazing read and a literary work of genius.

Anyway, the market is there, and like you said, it would sell. Thanks again for your thoughts!
You are SO right! I'd love to read about college stuff in ya books as well! Being in my early 20s I'd love to read about people in my age with my lifestyle!

If you want a reading tip about a great book with a college freshman, check out The Alpha Bet by Stephanie Hale - it's a great book! :)
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My debut novel began three days after the main character turned 18. It's marketed as YA Paranormal Romance, not so much college issues. The second half of the book takes place over a year later. I have heard of New Adult and I think it really falls in there somewhere but there aren't a lot of publishers interested in New Adult as yet. I think it's down to use as the readers to tell them what we need from them and to encourage them to take the leap into New Adult.
As you pointed out, young people read up. I know I did. I can't say I have ever understood the need to keep the main characters of a YA novel under 18.
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I totally agree with you. There is a big age gap between protagonists I read about. Usually the YA books I read feature someone aged 16-17 and then the other books I read are mostly about adults aged 30+. Not that it's hard for me to empathize or connect with the main characters but being 20 myself I'd like to have some stories feature someone around my age. When I write I don't think I can make main characters younger than 16 because I honestly can't remember what it was like before then and don't have the experience beyond 20. Before reading this post I hadn't heard about New Adult. . .but I would definitely jump on that band wagon.
I am 21 and in college, and I personally only read adult books (with the occasional YA book if a bunch of good reviews convince me). I think it would be nice to have books targeted more at college students, because I feel like so many college students who aren't in the mood for adult books end up getting stuck with books that are just too young for them. They have to choose between 14-17 year old protagonists and 30 year old protagonists, and since they aren't in the mood for the older they have to stick with the younger by default. It would be great if there were a genre that let people transition between YA and adult lit. Then everybody could find something that suits them.
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I'm 26 and love this post! I think you're hitting the nail on the head, and I think that this demographic has been chronically underserved in fiction.
One blog you might be interested in -- http://roaring20s.typepad.com/. It's aimed at 20somethings, but the content and title selections might get you somewhere!
I would absolutely LOVE to see books with main characters older than teens. I am 22, and would love to read a book about a girl graduating from college and trying to adjust to the "real world." I think it has a lot of appeal to people in the same situation!
I agree. I'm sixteen, and my absolute favorite YA and Mid-Grade books are Sunshine (protag = 25ish) and Howl's Moving Castle (protags 18ish and 27). Someone else mentioned I Am The Messenger, which is up there, too. I especially enjoy reading about young people who've just started living on their own or just started working. I wish I had a little more or these kinds of books to read. They're actually the books I like to write - two of my YA ideas involve girls around 19 and deal a bit with the concept of a fledgling adult. It fascinates me because I'm not there yet. (I'm not sure if it's a bad idea for me to be writing these, considering, but I don't think so.) Kids have been reading books and watching movies about people older than us for a long time. Just because people are trying to cater to us now, doesn't mean we can't stretch our horizons a bit and read older.
"I think a lot of people are coming-of-age during college or even when they're 25"

I'm 27 and I feel I'm in this boat, haha! I would love to read stuff like that, esp with the idea that they're not in any sort of school or taking a few college classes here or there. Or heck, even with dorm shenanigans. I dunno, something can be done about this, i think...
Speaking as a writer, I'd love to write for this age range! Just doesn't seem to be much demand for it in publishing. :/
This is a very important point that I have not seen acted on enough. I get that the whole "coming of age" age bracket is between 14ish and 19. There is a lot of character development to be had in the early twenties. It's not like you turn 21 and know how to do everything, why is it that book characters get to be described that way?
There also is a better chance for more complicated and interesting plot, the characters have already gotten past the point of discovering romance, the realities of life, and their first taste of the pitfalls that go with growing up.
College aged characters have started to practice the skills that deal with romance, life, and avoiding those possible pitfalls, they don't bumble along like they don't know what their doing, because they've got a better idea of what's going on. Of course that makes the consequences bigger too.
The coming of age process really goes beyond the first step that writers usually focus on in YA novels. Bottom line, I agree with you. I would rather read or write character between 18-25, it's something the literature community needs to explore more.
Well, THANK YOU for pointing out that there's an absolut lack of books with female leads who aren't high school kids anymore, but that wouldn't call themselves adults either. As a 20-year-old college student, I do read both YA books and adult fiction. However, I DO miss books about people my age. I'd definitely buy them and so would my friends. So I'm glad this discussion is happening - It's the first step to increase the publishers awareness of the "new adults" that miss so much someone with struggles similiar to theirs in literature =]
Abso-fucking-lutely!
I've actually had problems lately and been reading a lot of YA series, because it kind of depresses me. I'm in my 20s, but in no way have my life "together" yet, and even the protagonists I can think of who are under 30 outside of YA are in some kind of crazy-world where they can afford stuff like houses, health insurance, have successful 9-5 jobs where they've been working for several years, etc. They feel like they're physically attractive versions of my mom. I still love reading about them, but it would be cool to get that in the middle age group going.

It's especially weird to me since I'm a big fan of manga, and that age group is pretty well represented there. I'm thinking of stories like NANA or chobits, where the protagonist has a first apartment, is trying to figure out how to find a job that doesn't bore them senseless and still pays their bills, etc.

It's kind of weird sometimes, because I see a lot of YA books where the author is basically making the characters "pseudo college" in some way... they have an apartment of their own or with people their own age, are in high school but never seem to go to class, or they have a job. it would open up a lot of nifty stories if that age group got more fiction, and help to make a lot more things more believable.
I fall into this gap as a writer. My MC is 21, which is too old for YA, and I've been told that to reach an 'adult' audience, I'd have to make her older. My answer is - no. Even though it's a paranormal romance, it does take place in college, and I wouldn't want it any other way. THAT is my setting - dorm rooms, classes, etc. She is out on her own, no longer under the control of her parents, but not yet out in the 'real world', either. This type of lifestyle is vital to the problems she faces, because it shapes how she reacts to them.

Also, where is the market for protagonists who are in their first serious relationship? Where is the market for adults who love to relive the excitement of first love, but who don't want the curtain to fall on the characters when they do more than just kiss (which, understandably, is the case in most YA novels)?

I'm stuck in the 'in-between'. Hopefully I'll find an agent willing to market it as either NA or Adult. If not, I'll hold onto my manuscript until the market is realised. I hope it doesn't come down to that, though!
Yes, yes, yes and hell yes! Oh man, I can't tell you how much I agree with this. I'm 21 and have never had an interest in your standard adult fiction (I find it very limiting compared to YA and have a hard time relating to mid-life crises and paying-off-the-divorce woes), so I've always read YA. When I was in middle school it prepared me for high school. When I was in high school, I psudeo-prepared for college by reading about boarding schools, which was as close as I could get.

But now that I'm graduated? Poof. Nothing. I still relate to younger characters and read YA fiction, but I've never felt welcomed in adult fiction, and there is absolutely nothing that prepares me for this floundering feeling of not having anything - not even school - to fall back on.

I wonder if the publishers realize that "college kids don't read" because there's no buffer zone readily available to transition from YA to adult fiction. It's not like you graduate from high school and suddenly become an adult. I'd love to see lots more 18-26 year-olds in fiction. There are just so many possibilities, I can't understand why they'd waste them!
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It seems like books are always classified by the age of the protagonist. Of course, this doesn't always work (WHEN YOU REACH ME immediately comes to mind).

This is something I've been thinking about as the next book I'm writing is about college aged girls. Though I don't think I'll try publishing it, so I don't have to worry about officially classifying it.
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Hell yeah! What a great article! I'd love to read about older characters in books that are still considered YA. I'm 22 and I still love YA but sometimes I'd also like to read about people my age or a little older that are not yet adult books.
I hope your article gets heard by people who can actually change something about the situation.
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I'm on the verge of writing a book where the MC is in college, either first for second year. And maybe it will be a hard sell. Or maybe by the time it's query ready it'll already have a slot to fit into.

This isn't the first time I've read about this YA gap. What make a book YA is the age of the MC, 12 or 13 to 18, aka high school. YA is also about coming of age, which happens in high school. Adult books, apparently, start at 18 and go up from there. But I agree, there's a gap that needs to be filled. There's two months from the time an 18 year old graduates high school and starts college. That's not too big of a gap so the mindset isn't all that big either. But the leap from September college freshman year to May of that same year is huge. It's another milestone where the protag will actually age. Or as is the case of non-college-bound kids, enter into the working world/military/whatever.
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(Part 2) You are not auto-adult at 18. Shit, I don't feel adult at 27. But I do agree with the authors that this stuff isn't being written because there's nowhere to shelve it and there isn't a market. At the same time the editors need to realize they need to test the waters too. They can say there isn't a market all they want but if the option isn't there, of course the market isn't there. Give it the option. Teens don't get sucked into a void when they're 18. Most people don't consider them adult until they're 21, at minimum. So why aren't there books for that target audience? How many steps do children's books have up until YA? And then a chasm into adult.
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This is a great post - I may have to revisit some college-aged (and law school aged) protagonists that I have somewhere around here on a shelf and revise those books.

Appreciate the opinion, and I agree with you there are definite gaps in the market.
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So glad you posted this. It's been on my mind, lately-- the ability to relate, and whether it changes if the protagonist is older or younger. I think that one of the more fascinating example is the Harry Potter series; it's hard to think of it objectively since I literally grew up with the books, but people still enjoyed reading something bout an 11 y/o protagonist. Same goes with tv shows I guess, where the audience is mostly adults, yet they're still accessible for younger people.

And about college-aged books, it's nice to see some popping up in the YA section. Unfortunately, the market seems to be small enough that I haven't found a truly good one, yet... The Ivy by Lauren Kunze/Rina Onur is about college freshmen but it was just plain bad. Hopefully we'll see some more books that explore that subgenre in the future, though!
Love this post!
I had just completed a blog post from a writer perspective on some of the same issues you raise here.
I put a link up to your post on mine since it was such a great peice of YA insight.

Thank you!
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Alex Baugh · 742 weeks ago

I totally support a New Adult catagory and would definitely read books about protagonists who are older than the usual YA character.
This, this, a million times this! I'm 20 and there aren't enough words to express how much I would love to see more characters my age, dealing with stuff like getting their first job, renting their first apartment, navigating the waters of university, and growing up. I didn't magically stop wanting characters my age when I finished high school, but I did stop being able to find them, and I miss them.
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The Writing Junkie · 742 weeks ago

To me things like YA and Adult aren't just based on age but what the character is going through. If a character (12-30 or whatev) is trying to find who they are, trying to figure themselves out, then that should be YA b/c it goes along with what teens are feeling at their age.
Yes, this would be hard for publishers to market but a fun title and cover would do the trick.

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Unforgettable · 742 weeks ago

Just saw your blog. Awesome!
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Unforgettable · 742 weeks ago

this is really funny because that's the genre my Nanowrimo novel falls into. I love college aged books and I have to agree I haven't read enough of them. Many writers move to the post-college phase.
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Leah Hultenschmidt · 741 weeks ago

Fantastic post--and a great topic. One college-age book I loved was I AM CHARLOTTE SIMMONS by Tom Wolfe--categorized as gen fiction, though, not YA. A SEPARATE PEACE is another oldie but goodie in my book. Five years ago, there was actually huge glut in the market of book about early twentysomethings dealing with first job, first apartment, finding a place after college, body issues, etc. This was the whole chick lit boom with Helen Fielding, Emily Griffin, Melissa Banks, Jennifer Weiner and a number of others. They did really well for a short while and then just dropped, which could be why some publishers are reluctant to revisit that age group.

I edit YA and would love to hear from folks writing in this category. There's more at http://romanticreading.net/2010/09/12/what-im-loo....
As an author with a book about sorority rush making the rounds, I loved reading your post and the comments. I have heard quite a bit of "college books don't sell" lately, and it's never really rang true for me. I would have eaten that kind of thing up with a spoon when I was a junior/senior in high school. Here's hoping the marketplace expands a little!
Yes to more books about college (New Adult is actually a great name for it!) I would also like college to be flippin mentioned in books. It's like oh you're a junior or senior but just not going to college? That's fine if you're not, but explain why! I'd love to see more books about the transtion from high school to college or just life afte rhigh school (getting a sucky job, awesome internship, traveling the world, joining the Peace Corps, etc).

Right on! Write on :D heehee
Yes, yes, I agree! Although I'm an adult now, this still applies! I lived reading about older protagonists when I was younger, and it helped me get a feel of what was to come. Now, I like reading about people my age, so I love books with older protagonists.

Great post!
Thank you for all the comments and the lovely discussion! Here's to New Adult! :D
I SO agree!!! I recently read an amazing manuscript about a girl in her freshman year of college, but agents had been telling her that it would be a tough sell because of the protagonist's age - even though they loved the book. It was so hard to see, because IT WAS A FABULOUS BOOK. I would have bought it in a heartbeat. I think the market is really just waiting for that one breakout college novel that will pave the way for the others. Once we get past that hurdle, it might get easier.
Since kids generally read up, the "college kids don't read" argument would only apply to books about kids POST-college. I would have loved to have read about college-aged characters when I was in high school. In fact, at that age I loved to read but had a hard time finding anything to read because my younger sister was reading the YA books that I felt too old for. I thought St. Martin's line would start a new trend when it debuted last year, but so far they seem to still be the only ones doing it?
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N. R. Williams · 738 weeks ago

I am so glad you said this. I've been told that my voice is YA, but my protagonist is in college and is 20 something, excluding me from the YA market. I would love to see a "new adult" category. I have self published to e-readers. I believe there is a market for my epic fantasy. The Treasures of Carmelidrium.
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Yay! This is heartening to hear. I am a novelist working on my first major piece of fiction. (I am 30) My protagonist is 25. Makes me feel like my character has some potential readership here. As a writer, I find it easier to write from a perspective a little bit younger than my real age. Because, while I am experiencing the life events and perspective of a certain age--it's hard to make sense of life--but after time has passed a bit--I have the scope with which to write about it.

Great blog, by the way.
I'm nearly sixteen. Definitely want college-aged protagonists.
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Cyndi Tefft · 713 weeks ago

Just stumbled across this post and LOVE IT. I'm a self-published author with a title for mature teens, the sequel is definitely crossing over into college-aged lit as the heroine starts her sophomore year.
Highly exciting post! I've heard of whispers concerning this 'new' genre and I hope it grows into something worth writing for and reading about. The limitations in this field world (and could) be ENDLESS.

Personally I always thought there was a GAP inbetween the Young Adult and Adult genres, which is a shame because even though we are in university/college/working/etc -- we do like to read and we'll MAKE the time. Just why can't publishers and editors wrap their brains around something that could be highly innovative and just WAITING to happen? Sometimes I'd like to go down there and give them a piece of my mind and a through slapping, and hopefully that would wake someone with a half-decent sensiblity to publish stuff that people want to read NOT just guess work. I mean, they're missing out and they don't know it. [shakes head in dismay]

ARGH stupid thing cut my post in half. TTwTT
The OTHER half of my post Choco. SORRY!

As a fellow aspiring novelist where my character starts at 17 but ends up at 21 at the end of a series of four books (I know you highly dislike reading series, but who knows WHEN this will get published so no worries). I'm always worried that publishers and editors will say age them younger, which could envitable throw off the majority of the whole plot.

I just have to say this is really well said Choco. Extremely well said. If I could fave this post I would a MILLION times over. So much love to you girl. [beams]
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Sorry, I'm new at this still. [sighs]

But I have to tell you I really do enjoy reading your posts and whatnot. They really help reassure me when I'm concerned about my writing or story. Especially with all the 'strong' heroines and 'creeper/stalker would-be' boyfriends. Thank-you for your enlightenments! :]
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I know this was written a while ago, but I just found it when I was trying to look for these exact types of books! I had been looking for something to read during my break between terms at college, and everything I could find was either older characters or mostly high-school girls. Now that I'm in college I've grown kind of tired of reading books with high school characters and just wish there were more books with characters in my age in different or similar situations.
There is a Facebook group trying to get a bunch of people in one place so that we can show the Publishers that we want older YA characters. Everyone is welcome. So if you are tired of having no protagonists between the ages 18 and 35, join this group and pass it on! https://www.facebook.com/groups/356098581125964/
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I'm 7 months away from 21 and I have to agree with you! I'm all for New Adult reads. I want to relate closely to the characters in my books now that I'm no longer in high school!
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I'm currently writing a fantasy novel (Self-publishing.), but while my protagonist going to be 18 at the beginning of the story, I'm not entirely sure whether it should be YA or NA. I say this because it's going to span over the course of many years, and there'll definitely be mature content (And lots of swearing, cuz swearing is fun.), but at the same time it's still a coming of age story for my protagonist.

For right now, I'm settling with NA, but my main concern with that is the idea less people will read it. It's especially scary since the odds of a self-published book doing well are... well, slim (Still not worth giving the rights away to a traditional publisher who also takes most of the money while forcing the responsibilities onto you anyway.).

Any thoughts?
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Vera Nordic Soul · 374 weeks ago

I just found this post, and it's so relevant! I actually am upholding an instagram account solely for the purpose of NA books, and promoting variety within the genre. I find that NA is dominated by erotic or romance novels, and while there's nothing wrong with such novels, it's difficult for everyone to enjoy or identify themselves within them. That's why I'm so glad whenever I discover NA novels in fantasy, scifi, contemporary... If you're looking for suggestions or reading ideas, check it out at www.instagram.com/nordicsoulbooks :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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