What's got me thinking:*
Lately, I've been encountering a lot of discussions on whether college age protagonists in young adult books are allowed, or if you can even call it a young adult book if the main character doesn't fall into the Holy YA Age Range of 12-18 years old. Among the publishing community, the general consensus seems to be that protagonists out of high school are a tough sell. The comments of "but college students don't read, so there's no market for it" and "teens don't relate to protagonists that are are college aged" are always thrown in there somewhere during the discussion, which generally results in everyone agreeing and deciding to lower their main character's age to 18 or under.
As a teen reader, I'm going, what? STOP THAT.
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I'm sixteen, in case you're wondering.
That doesn't stop me from wanting to read about characters older than 18. I'd sure as heck love to go into the Young Adult section and pick up a book about a college freshman adjusting to their new life of freedom, stumbling around a huge campus, fighting with their roomate, and groaning about cafeteria food and being a poor student. I'd sure as heck love to read a book about a protagonist that sets off on an adventure after they graduate from high school, or who's just taken up training as a cop or joined the army or taken a job you can't do while still in school. I'd love it to bits if anyone wrote a book about a college junior's experience as a study abroad student.
I'd lap that stuff right up. Mostly importantly, I'd buy it if I saw it in the Young Adult section.
I'm an older teen. For the most part, in real life, I have no stomach for the heartaches of a 12-year-old, and I don't think I can completely grasp (I can empathize with, sure) the troubles a 50-year-old might be facing, since I haven't experienced it myself. But that doesn't stop me from relating to and being interested in fiction featuring 12-year-old protagonists, 16-year-old protagonists, and 50-year-old protagonists. It explains why the odd teen (me) or adult can't be wrenched away from the middle grade section, while boys my age have been reading fiction about 30-year-old fantasy heroes since they were 13.
Age doesn't matter as much as you'd think.
Maybe it does in real life, but it doesn't in fiction.
This is especially true since 99.9% of young adult books are being written by adults. There's a certain distance there, so that for the most part, I couldn't differentiate between a YA 15-year-old and a 18-year-old protagonist in terms of maturity and the conflicts they face if my life depended upon it. It's all pretty flexible in YA, when it comes to a few years. **
From what I've observed, children and teen readers tend to read up. As a 5th grader, I was curious to find out what middle school was like, and I sated some of that curiosity by reading a bunch of books where the protagonists were 13. I didn't have a problem at all relating to these older main characters. By middle school, I was reading books with high school protagonists, wondering if that's what it'd really be like once I got there.
Now that I'm a high school senior, I'm left either with older teen characters or adult characters. There's no bridge in between though. Just a huge gorge, and publishers saying, "JUMP ALREADY." I rarely find a book featuring a college freshman or a 20-year-old. In fact, I can't even think of one I've read lately off the top of my head.
But I'm still curious. I'd like to know what I'm in for. I think most people my age would like to know. What college is like, what renting your first apartment is like, what starting your career is like.
Most importantly, I think they'd read about it. Perhaps even prefer it over the tales of a high school freshman, or maybe even over the tales of characters their current age. It's a possibility. Maybe that explains why the college students I do know tend to read adult fiction. They're looking out for what's next for them.
New Adult
I feel like I can't talk about older protagonists without mentioning New Adult. I first heard of New Adult when St. Martin put on it's "New Adult" Submissions Contest in November 2009, and the resulting buzz crackled through the internet until it even reached me. For those of you who haven't heard of New Adult, I think of it as a more sharply defined categorization for books that have crossover appeal (books that can be sold and marketed as both YA and adult fiction) and it seems to have become viable in the last few years due to the fact that YA has become such a popular genre.
St Martin's described it as this:
And from reading Kristan Hoffman's article in Guide to Literary Agents, New Adult will likely feature protagonists from 18-26 years old. As she says:
"...[n]ew, cutting edge fiction with protagonists who are slightly older than YA and can appeal to an adult audience. Since twenty-somethings are devouring YA, St. Martin’s Press is seeking fiction similar to YA that can be published and marketed as adult—a sort of an “older YA” or “new adult.”
"But the transition from teen to adult doesn’t happen overnight either. There’s a period of time where adulthood feels like a new pair of shoes. The expectations of independence and self-sufficiency are still new, still being broken in. New Adults are the people who have just begun to walk in those shoes; New Adult fiction is about their blisters and aches."
New Adult is supposed to be geared towards older teens, college kids, and adults who are well, new to adulthood.
And I'm going: YES YES YES.
I'd like some of that.
Where's the barricade?
But I'm wondering, why aren't there any books out there already where protagonists are older than 18? Why does this have to be a new thing? Why can't I just stroll into the bookstore right now and pick up Minnie's College Adventures, Book One?
I'm not saying there aren't books like that out there. There are crossovers and college books, scattered around somewhere, I'm sure, but I don't think there's a sizable amount.
The problem is that they're not easily accessible in the young adult section. I think they should be. At least part of it, I think , is due to this misconception that I admit I'm having trouble wrapping my head around as I skim through all the blogs and threads and articles I've been reading about this age dilemma. But this is what I've gathered: YA writers who are worried about writing about older protagonists seem to point the fingers at publishers and agents who either call for a protagonist's age to be lowered or term a book with a older main character a "tough sell." Then publishers and bookstores just go on and point the fingers at readers, saying there isn't a market.
I think there is one. I think of the defining characteristic of young adult fiction as coming-of-age. I think a lot of people are coming-of-age during college or even when they're 25, and therefore it can still be YA, if an author decides that's what the character is going to be going through. What's more, I want those books in YA.
Fellow teens and young adult readers, would you be interested in fiction about college aged protagonists? Would you buy books featuring main characters in the so-called dead zone of 18-26 years old? Do you think there's a need for more of it, or are you content with what's already out there?
Maybe I'm just weird in craving older protagonists appearing on Young Adult shelves, but I'm hoping not.
*I'm hoping a post of this nature hasn't been written already, as I've been out of the loop for a bit.
**In real life, no. Those little freshman squirts are confused and lost and hopeless. Seniors know what they're doing, at least to some extent. Actually... on second thought, perhaps yes. I think I'm pretty much the same as I was a few years ago. I guess it's a bit of both.
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Bri · 742 weeks ago
And I can promise that college students read, despite their heavy workload. I'm an English major, so I have tons of required reading, but I just returned six YA books to the library and checked out three more. If they love to read, they will make the time.
inwhichagirlreads 55p · 742 weeks ago
See, I'd dearly love a ollege freshman character talking about adjusting to their new life to grab hold onto, as I'm going to be heading off to college this year. And I think I'll be one of those college students who'd read a lot still. :D
Katie · 742 weeks ago
However, I've had agents and authors tell me directly that selling a novel with a MC over eighteen years old is nearly impossible. But this New Adult business gives me hope!
inwhichagirlreads 55p · 742 weeks ago
^THIS. I completely agree.
See, I've been hearing that too--agents/publishers saying 18+ is hard to sell, so authors are worried about writing characters that age.
But here I'm going, I'd love to read books with characters that age, why aren't there some in the bookstore? Let's hope New Adult remedies that. :)
bahnree 28p · 742 weeks ago
From my own perspective, now that I'm in college, I would love to read some fiction about peeps my age. I love YA and adult stuff but there really is a dearth of college age protagonists.
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Becca C. · 742 weeks ago
That said, I AM THE MESSENGER by Markus Zusak has 19 and 20 year old characters and I looooove it -- precisely because those characters are going against the "norm" and not going to college, so the relatability isn't a barrier.
inwhichagirlreads 55p · 742 weeks ago
oh, I love I AM THE MESSENGER, it's one of my favorite books. I agree, one of the best things about it is that they're 19 and 20 and doing things that are different. I love that Ed has a job and he's worried about who he's going to become but it's still clearly YA. But wow, Markus Zusak is kinda the champion of crossover, though, isn't he? The Book Thief is marketed as both adult and YA.
I've been thinking, New Adult would do away with a lot of the restrictions that YA imposes. Like, the parents could be totally out of the picture without it being a weird thing, the main characters wouldn't have to skip around high school while simultaneously saving the world. I guess some of that's the classic hallmarks of YA, but at the same time, if authors could just keep that coming-of-age factor and youngish outlook on life, while giving their characters a freer range due to the fact that they're legally adults--that'd be lovely, I think.
Dawn Embers · 742 weeks ago
I did read less in college. Well, I read less fiction. I had to do a lot of work for policy debate researching the PRC, extinction, why extinction would be good, supreme court cases, and so much else. Between that and all the classes I took and the nightmare that was my capstone project & defense, I didn't feel like reading much, not even for my lit classes. Now I'm trying to read more often, but it's not easy to get back into the habit because I don't like choosing between writing and reading, though I know reading will help my writing. But I'm working on it.
inwhichagirlreads 55p · 742 weeks ago
I think I will end up having to read less in college too, just because they'll be so much reading for class. I hope you get back into your reading swing! I'd been having trouble reading for a while until very recently. What really helped me was going back and reading all my long-time favorites. I started with elementary school reads and worked my way through my favorite books, just so I could remember what I loved about reading, and now I'm back to normal :)
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inwhichagirlreads 55p · 742 weeks ago
Thanks for commenting!
lostinbelieving 30p · 742 weeks ago
First, can I just saw you're 16 and a senior?! Geez, I'm 15 and a sophomore! Gah!
As a sophomore, though, my mom is telling me to start looking at colleges and all that. Honestly, I'm insanely scared. It would be nice to have books here and there about people in college. Not only that, but when I'm in college I'm going to want to read some books about people my age! Gosh darnit, people should stop saying it would be hard to sell! Right now, I know the Ivy and Forget-Her-Nots have characters that are in college.
Fantastic post! Hopefully people will listen (:
inwhichagirlreads 55p · 742 weeks ago
Your Mom is right about starting to look at colleges early on. I was really scared too, and very lost at how to start looking at colleges, since I just didn't know what I wanted--big or small, city or rural, this major or that, private or public, nearby or far away. It took me ages to figure that out, so much so that I didn't do as much research as I should've in my soph/junior years and had to cram a lot in during senior year, once I'd decided what type of school I wanted to go to. It makes things a lot easier if you already have a concrete list coming into senior year. Oh, if only I had... Looking back, college apps are basically about time management and getting things done ahead of time.
And thanks :) And I agree, a book might have helped a bit.
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bravechickens · 742 weeks ago
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LupLun · 742 weeks ago
New Adult... mmm. It's a big question mark at this point, I'm afraid. I ran a few quick google searches on the subject, and the results were disappointing. St. Martin's had this big idea about a year ago and held a contest. There was a small flurry of discussion on the blogosphere, but nearly nothing has come up since then. St. Martin's contest got 18 authors requests for partials, but if any of them actually got a deal, none have surfaced at the bookstores. AbsoluteWrite has some more recent threads going on the topic, one is
here. What I'm hearing is basically that it's a very, very new genre which noone is really sure about yet. Only St. Martins and a very, very few agents have an interest in it, and it could be judged as an idea that doesn't work and shelved at any time. In other words: it's a tough sell.
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Bee · 742 weeks ago
I'm 20 and the post-18 phase has been pretty important for me, and yet I hardly see American/British books documenting the 18 - 24 year age gap. I love reading YA but I'd like to read about people of age as well. The adult books hardly feature protagonists who are in college. And who says college students don't read? If you don't give them books they can readily relate to, how can you say they don't?
Having said that, I'm from India, and the most popular genre here is what is called the 'campus novel' which concerns protagonists in colleges/universities. YA is not that popular, but the Campus novels fly outta the shelves. And most of these books are written by college students as well.
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Bee · 742 weeks ago
One of my favourites is Anurag Mathur's The Inscrutable Americans, although it was written way back in 1991.
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Amy · 742 weeks ago
Right now publishers are striving for a crossover appeal for YA books, but in general I don't think this is the best way to go. Yes there are some successes like Harry Potter and His Dark Materials (don't anybody dare say Twilight) but in general they are rare, and it is to my knowledge that adults tend to keep a wide berth away from and look down upon YA in general. High school years? Most adults I know decry and detest reminiscing about high school because the truth is that high school is juvenile, and childish, and petty, and insignificant, compared to what comes next. The next four years of glory and independence and maturing into an adult: college. I know far more adults who glorify their college experience and would no doubt love to relive it through a book. A NEW ADULT book, no less. So yes, I agree completely. A new adult book would be a true crossover book: nostalgia for adults and a refreshing and enlightening experience for us young adults on the threshold of independence and college. Honestly, there's such a lack of these college-aged protagonist books that I honestly don't know what goes on in college aside from the typical partying and studying stereotypes. Authors, enlighten me, please!
Wow you're a young senior! Thank goodness it's January and college applications are done and over with, right? I think it might have been the stress and endless essays that threw off your reading habits...it certainly did mine! I'm curious- what colleges are you applying to? You are obviously super thoughtful and intelligent, as this post is proof of :)
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Katie · 742 weeks ago
I don't doubt that YA readers would love to have slightly older characters in the YA mix. I would love to see that! Here's where I see that getting tricky-- many middle schoolers are really into YA, but not yet ready for books featuring college students. I would have a hard time placing books with 18-and-up protagonists in my middle school YA section.
I haven't heard of the "New Adult" category, but it sounds like a great idea!
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parametric · 742 weeks ago
I'd love to read more fiction about new adults. It's not that life isn't dramatic enough for twenty-somethings, that's for sure. Leaving home for the first time is one of the most stressful experiences imaginable. Look at the later seasons of Buffy, in which the title character adjusts to college and her mother's death and her parental role with her little sister. Big changes.
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jessilouwho22 19p · 742 weeks ago
This is a great discussion!
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waffle_flower 6p · 742 weeks ago
And speaking of being a precocious reader, where would I be now if I hadn’t read Judy Blume’s Are You There, God, It’s Me, Margaret? at the tender age of 7 (!) and learned all about what a period was and bra cup sizes. Sure, Margaret was—I don’t know, 12?—but I related to her woes nonetheless, because of Blume’s funny, accessible writing, just as I was still reading Beverly Cleary books and identifying with 8-year-old Ramona.
In studying the classics, even in high school, they make us read about much older characters. Then what’s the difference???
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Natalia · 742 weeks ago
I recently read The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath, in which the protagonist, Esther, is 19/20. It was REFRESHING. Even though the story mainly revolves around her mental decline, it was soo awesome to read a novel which allowed me to soak in the experience of a character outside of school, and all the new options available to her. Also, it's just a crazy amazing read and a literary work of genius.
Anyway, the market is there, and like you said, it would sell. Thanks again for your thoughts!
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If you want a reading tip about a great book with a college freshman, check out The Alpha Bet by Stephanie Hale - it's a great book! :)
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Carol Oates · 742 weeks ago
As you pointed out, young people read up. I know I did. I can't say I have ever understood the need to keep the main characters of a YA novel under 18.
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Kelly J. 42p · 742 weeks ago
One blog you might be interested in -- http://roaring20s.typepad.com/. It's aimed at 20somethings, but the content and title selections might get you somewhere!
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m. dominic · 742 weeks ago
I'm 27 and I feel I'm in this boat, haha! I would love to read stuff like that, esp with the idea that they're not in any sort of school or taking a few college classes here or there. Or heck, even with dorm shenanigans. I dunno, something can be done about this, i think...
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Kara · 742 weeks ago
There also is a better chance for more complicated and interesting plot, the characters have already gotten past the point of discovering romance, the realities of life, and their first taste of the pitfalls that go with growing up.
College aged characters have started to practice the skills that deal with romance, life, and avoiding those possible pitfalls, they don't bumble along like they don't know what their doing, because they've got a better idea of what's going on. Of course that makes the consequences bigger too.
The coming of age process really goes beyond the first step that writers usually focus on in YA novels. Bottom line, I agree with you. I would rather read or write character between 18-25, it's something the literature community needs to explore more.
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evafate 1p · 742 weeks ago
I've actually had problems lately and been reading a lot of YA series, because it kind of depresses me. I'm in my 20s, but in no way have my life "together" yet, and even the protagonists I can think of who are under 30 outside of YA are in some kind of crazy-world where they can afford stuff like houses, health insurance, have successful 9-5 jobs where they've been working for several years, etc. They feel like they're physically attractive versions of my mom. I still love reading about them, but it would be cool to get that in the middle age group going.
It's especially weird to me since I'm a big fan of manga, and that age group is pretty well represented there. I'm thinking of stories like NANA or chobits, where the protagonist has a first apartment, is trying to figure out how to find a job that doesn't bore them senseless and still pays their bills, etc.
It's kind of weird sometimes, because I see a lot of YA books where the author is basically making the characters "pseudo college" in some way... they have an apartment of their own or with people their own age, are in high school but never seem to go to class, or they have a job. it would open up a lot of nifty stories if that age group got more fiction, and help to make a lot more things more believable.
Jaime · 742 weeks ago
Also, where is the market for protagonists who are in their first serious relationship? Where is the market for adults who love to relive the excitement of first love, but who don't want the curtain to fall on the characters when they do more than just kiss (which, understandably, is the case in most YA novels)?
I'm stuck in the 'in-between'. Hopefully I'll find an agent willing to market it as either NA or Adult. If not, I'll hold onto my manuscript until the market is realised. I hope it doesn't come down to that, though!
Addley · 742 weeks ago
But now that I'm graduated? Poof. Nothing. I still relate to younger characters and read YA fiction, but I've never felt welcomed in adult fiction, and there is absolutely nothing that prepares me for this floundering feeling of not having anything - not even school - to fall back on.
I wonder if the publishers realize that "college kids don't read" because there's no buffer zone readily available to transition from YA to adult fiction. It's not like you graduate from high school and suddenly become an adult. I'd love to see lots more 18-26 year-olds in fiction. There are just so many possibilities, I can't understand why they'd waste them!
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Ronnica · 742 weeks ago
This is something I've been thinking about as the next book I'm writing is about college aged girls. Though I don't think I'll try publishing it, so I don't have to worry about officially classifying it.
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Miss Bookiverse · 742 weeks ago
I hope your article gets heard by people who can actually change something about the situation.
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Donna at Bites · 742 weeks ago
This isn't the first time I've read about this YA gap. What make a book YA is the age of the MC, 12 or 13 to 18, aka high school. YA is also about coming of age, which happens in high school. Adult books, apparently, start at 18 and go up from there. But I agree, there's a gap that needs to be filled. There's two months from the time an 18 year old graduates high school and starts college. That's not too big of a gap so the mindset isn't all that big either. But the leap from September college freshman year to May of that same year is huge. It's another milestone where the protag will actually age. Or as is the case of non-college-bound kids, enter into the working world/military/whatever.
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Cameron · 742 weeks ago
Appreciate the opinion, and I agree with you there are definite gaps in the market.
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Linna · 742 weeks ago
And about college-aged books, it's nice to see some popping up in the YA section. Unfortunately, the market seems to be small enough that I haven't found a truly good one, yet... The Ivy by Lauren Kunze/Rina Onur is about college freshmen but it was just plain bad. Hopefully we'll see some more books that explore that subgenre in the future, though!
Julie Geistfeld · 742 weeks ago
I had just completed a blog post from a writer perspective on some of the same issues you raise here.
I put a link up to your post on mine since it was such a great peice of YA insight.
Thank you!
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The Writing Junkie · 742 weeks ago
Yes, this would be hard for publishers to market but a fun title and cover would do the trick.
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Leah Hultenschmidt · 741 weeks ago
I edit YA and would love to hear from folks writing in this category. There's more at http://romanticreading.net/2010/09/12/what-im-loo....
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Right on! Write on :D heehee
Penelope · 741 weeks ago
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Magpie · 708 weeks ago
Personally I always thought there was a GAP inbetween the Young Adult and Adult genres, which is a shame because even though we are in university/college/working/etc -- we do like to read and we'll MAKE the time. Just why can't publishers and editors wrap their brains around something that could be highly innovative and just WAITING to happen? Sometimes I'd like to go down there and give them a piece of my mind and a through slapping, and hopefully that would wake someone with a half-decent sensiblity to publish stuff that people want to read NOT just guess work. I mean, they're missing out and they don't know it. [shakes head in dismay]
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Mapie · 708 weeks ago
As a fellow aspiring novelist where my character starts at 17 but ends up at 21 at the end of a series of four books (I know you highly dislike reading series, but who knows WHEN this will get published so no worries). I'm always worried that publishers and editors will say age them younger, which could envitable throw off the majority of the whole plot.
I just have to say this is really well said Choco. Extremely well said. If I could fave this post I would a MILLION times over. So much love to you girl. [beams]
Magpie · 708 weeks ago
Sorry, I'm new at this still. [sighs]
But I have to tell you I really do enjoy reading your posts and whatnot. They really help reassure me when I'm concerned about my writing or story. Especially with all the 'strong' heroines and 'creeper/stalker would-be' boyfriends. Thank-you for your enlightenments! :]
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unicornofwar 1p · 439 weeks ago
For right now, I'm settling with NA, but my main concern with that is the idea less people will read it. It's especially scary since the odds of a self-published book doing well are... well, slim (Still not worth giving the rights away to a traditional publisher who also takes most of the money while forcing the responsibilities onto you anyway.).
Any thoughts?
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